Transcript of Impromptu Meeting to discuss Dreamscape Economy Dreamscape Library June 7, 2001 Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager :: Version 1.02.3 *** Caretaker Kashmir: its okay Deuce Acolyte Toon: Registered to Acolyte Toon Acolyte Toon: Welcome to Talk lister Acolyte Toon: Starting new list -- Please register now... Acolyte Toon: To register, ESP a $ to me, Acolyte Toon Dusty_Britches: hiya LL Caretaker Icy Q: K folks, keep the chatter down Caretaker Icy Q: And if you can't please go up top Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: Renegade Renegade: Rar Caretaker Kashmir: Ren if this isnt' serious Caretaker Kashmir: I'll whup you Renegade: Ok Aeyrlyn: rennus Renegade: just curious Caretaker Kashmir: Muerto sit Renegade: i walked in late Renegade: so whats going on Muerto: im sittin geez Renegade: Im like TOTALLY lost Muerto: have everyone else sit too Caretaker Icy Q: You will see DeuceBeta: taking wuestions about the economy and tokens Caretaker Kashmir: yes everyone sit Muerto: dont make me stand up again Caretaker Icy Q: Toon, who is next Renegade: give me the main concept DeuceBeta: questions even Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Renegade: if not im gunna go eat Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: ShortStuff Caretaker Kashmir: go eat Ren Renegade: tay DeuceBeta: hi ya SS ShortStuff: hi Caretaker Icy Q: Did you have something to say Shortstuff? DeuceBeta: or asking Acolyte Toon: Welcome to Talk lister Acolyte Toon: If you have already registered, you don't need to register again Acolyte Toon: To register, ESP a $ to me, Acolyte Toon Caretaker Kashmir: had a feeling Caretaker Icy Q: Oops Caretaker Kashmir: laggy room Caretaker Kashmir: pull next toon Acolyte Toon: icy did it Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: *Evil Taffin* Caretaker Kashmir: k, Taff, you get your say *Evil Taffin*: okay yes i have *Evil Taffin*: wot i would like to know is *Evil Taffin*: wot gives these ppl the right to bash us without knowing all the facts before jumping the gun DeuceBeta: freedom of speech? *Evil Taffin*: certainly Dusty_Britches: truth *Evil Taffin*: anyway you want it TomNY: according to wot assumption? *Evil Taffin*: pick one Caretaker Icy Q: So you're upset that people are voicing opinions concerning you? DeuceBeta: i have heard everything from me havin 400 million to tom being robert were is truth in any of that? *Evil Taffin*: it would be nice if they could ask us not just condemn us and execute us without askin Caretaker Kashmir: Tom's not Robert Caretaker Icy Q: Taffin has the floor *Evil Taffin*: what i would like to know is wot is the lynch mob mentallity Caretaker Icy Q: You would like people to ask you things first...instead of spreading rumors Dusty_Britches: can we have virtual tar and feathers? *Evil Taffin*: jazmine or dingdong should be able to answer that one Caretaker Kashmir: DD would you like to? Ðing Ðõng ®: sure Caretaker Kashmir: k Caretaker Kashmir: ghead Ðing Ðõng ®: Here is the feeling Ðing Ðõng ®: DS was opened up to zoners Caretaker Kashmir: and that's not jazmine, its someone else Ðing Ðõng ®: we went out of our way to make you all feel welcome here Ðing Ðõng ®: then all the sudden the world is flooded with tokens Ðing Ðõng ®: we all knew for a while that those tokens were "dirty" Aeyrlyn: i agree Ðing Ðõng ®: just did not know the how and why of where they came from Ðing Ðõng ®: We also knew that only zoners had these loads of tokens Dusty_Britches: exception Ðing Ðõng ®: It has distroyed our economy *Evil Taffin*: you assumed you didnt know this for fact Frenzy (VZ): what exactly is considered loads? Ðing Ðõng ®: we have worked very hard to keep our economy level Aeyrlyn: 54 million Aeyrlyn: Caretaker Icy Q: DD has the floor DeuceBeta: the economy is not destroyed only diffrent *Evil Taffin*: not only though Dusty_Britches: 400million Caretaker Kashmir: one at a time please Caretaker Icy Q: DD only please Caretaker Kashmir: let DD finish Dusty_Britches: 2 million is alot Caretaker Kashmir: you asked her opinion so lets here it Ðing Ðõng ®: I would guess there is atleast double the tokens inworld now than prior to this scam Ðing Ðõng ®: and that is how I few it, a scam Ðing Ðõng ®: Thats all from me Ðing Ðõng ®: Caretaker Icy Q: Taffin did that answer anything? *Evil Taffin*: they accused on assumption with not facts and didnt even ask us they just posted slander Ðing Ðõng ®: I don't believe I posted anyones name in the UG Frenzy (VZ): the whole underground appears to be slander Dusty_Britches: then why don't you clear it up then? Ðing Ðõng ®: I ask where Tom was since this all came out LADY LISA: One of your own family posted that she received 20 million tokens Caretaker Kashmir: Tom, you okay with answering that? *Evil Taffin*: as for being a scam i hardly call trading cross worlds a scam TomNY: May I? Caretaker Kashmir: yes of course Caretaker Icy Q: Tom has the floor TomNY: where have i been? Dusty_Britches: anyone that received the ill gotten tokens are as guiltly as the ones that obtained them in the first place TomNY: I"ve been right here haven't gone anywhere TomNY: Then all the DS people have ill gotten tokens TomNY: Everyone DeuceBeta: all of teh world TomNY: Anyone who sold or bought anything since January TomNY: is in the same boat LADY LISA: I think 20 million should raise a flag that it's illegal DeuceBeta: not at all Ðing Ðõng ®: I agree TomNY: We deal in millions all the time in VZ Aeyrlyn: ya Jazmint: by whos means did they receive these tokens but by your distrubution TomNY: It's normal for us Dusty_Britches: I am talking about the ones that took them knowing where they came from Ðing Ðõng ®: but this is NOT ZNE DeuceBeta: you dont knwo our buisness Ðing Ðõng ®: ZONE even Aeyrlyn: considering u gave 27mil to some girl there DeuceBeta: we deal in millions as common as most deal in 10k items *Evil Taffin*: we are very successful business ppl in vz and dealing in millions is not uncommon for us TomNY: another rumor Aeyrlyn: no Aeyrlyn: fact TomNY: I know wot I've done with who TomNY: You don't know my facts and why do u have the floor now? LADY LISA: Well, because you get illegal tokens in both worlds doesn't make it right Dusty_Britches: a word comes to mind Caretaker Kashmir: may I speak? Aeyrlyn: i was there, and she was bragging TomNY: Fact is I got used along with many other people here TomNY: by Tangent DeuceBeta: more slander not based on any facts Acolyte Toon: go ahead Kash Caretaker Kashmir: I am guessing silence means okay? Caretaker Icy Q: Tom, say done when you are finished TomNY: Tangent gave 20 million to at least 10 people i know of Dusty_Britches: in the history of both worlds,there never was a honest businessman who has had millions and millions of tokens TomNY: thats 200 million t's ~(£uñkyåli©)~: can i speak? TomNY: there is in VZ Caretaker Kashmir: let me go first if that's okay? TomNY: ok Kash ~(£uñkyåli©)~: ok Dusty_Britches: go ahead Caretaker Icy Q: Kash on floor Caretaker Kashmir: okay what seems to have happened Caretaker Kashmir: is many people got taken in by others Caretaker Kashmir: we're aware of what happened by ex staff Caretaker Kashmir: and we have taken steps to make sure it doesn't happen again TomNY: The duping of anmie? TomNY: anime TomNY: in huge numbers Caretaker Kashmir: its unfortunate that those who were conned Caretaker Kashmir: are now the evil ones LADY LISA: I disagree TomNY: Yes it is Caretaker Kashmir: when its not their fault in the big picture Caretaker Kashmir: it could have happened even if they weren't here TomNY: May I Kash? Caretaker Kashmir: and at this point I wish that all the finger pointing at other members Caretaker Kashmir: would stop Caretaker Icy Q: Hear hear TomNY: then it needs to be said does it not? Caretaker Kashmir: ghead Tom sorry TomNY: Robert told me i could share facts Caretaker Kashmir: yep he did TomNY: Fact is TomNY: Caretaker Selara TomNY: had her account breached by her daughter TomNY: who duped hundreds of anime items TomNY: it was a huge ordeal, one which we were approached with TomNY: which we would have no part of ~(£uñkyåli©)~: thats were the problem come from : anime TomNY: We could have done this but we didn't because we're honest DeuceBeta: be fore blaming anything listen Dusty_Britches: the fact that a person/persons took millions of tokens from a ex whatever you want to call them and handing it out to others like candy is a crime TomNY: I believe Selara is banned as are the people involved Ðing Ðõng ®: did you tell she was doing it? Caretaker Icy Q: Let him run this out folks TomNY: I was drawn into something I wanted no part of TomNY: fortunately i was spared being a rat TomNY: because management was already onto it also TomNY: When people want a big deal they come to me or DB because we do deal in legitimate millions Dusty_Britches: alot of times,rats become heros TomNY: One auction in VZ can net us 5 million TomNY: in a few hours TomNY: We were honest and wanted no part of it TomNY: Management took care of it TomNY: does this help answer the ex staff? DeuceBeta: if i may add *Evil Taffin*: ive got to go i havta work tonite but i want to know the results thank you all ~(£uñkyåli©)~: Caretaker Icy Q: Deuce go DeuceBeta: do any of you know hwo you knwo any of this? TomNY: send $ to Toon for questions please dont esp me DeuceBeta: its becuse i was handed 20 million tokens Acolyte Toon: Welcome to Talk lister Acolyte Toon: If you have already registered, you don't need to register again DeuceBeta: i asked to borrow 2 million Renegade: neiner neiner Kash left cheek is bigger then the right> Acolyte Toon: To register, ESP a $ to me, Acolyte Toon DeuceBeta: and tangent handed me twenty DeuceBeta: now i knew she was wealthy in vz DeuceBeta: but she had already given her bf 20 million for tradeing DeuceBeta: when i asked her how much she handed me she said 2 million like you asked TomNY: yes she used me DeuceBeta: so i asked her how much she had left DeuceBeta: she said 8 million DeuceBeta: so i said so you had 10 million DeuceBeta: which wouldnt shock me at all i have had that in ds in a days work Dusty_Britches: this is getting on my nerves,the lies,the lies,I am outa here DeuceBeta: she said yes DeuceBeta: then i asked her how if she had 10 million DeuceBeta: could she have handed me 20 DeuceBeta: and asked her to put her tokens down and glue em DeuceBeta: she had 80 million DeuceBeta: not 8 DeuceBeta: she fbbed a 0 DeuceBeta: she explained that DeuceBeta: she was in a delimina DeuceBeta: that an oldddd friend fo hers added her to a turf DeuceBeta: and left Renegade: night kids Renegade: dont stay up to late ~(£uñkyåli©)~: DeuceBeta: when she went up in teh turf it had billions of tokens in boxes DeuceBeta: each box had 999999999 tokens in it DeuceBeta: at this time Ðing Ðõng ®: sigh ~(£uñkyåli©)~: how they get that? DeuceBeta: she was being interviewed to be WM of glass city DeuceBeta: she asked me what she should do and i said destroy them DeuceBeta: who ever did that has only one intention DeuceBeta: nwo remember this is some one i thought i could trust DeuceBeta: later that nite DeuceBeta: i get an esp from her DeuceBeta: witha lot of F words saying she lost 100 million DeuceBeta: i freaked DeuceBeta: at this time in ds i had a total of 3 million DeuceBeta: 2 of which she had just loaned me DeuceBeta: i went to her turf and tom was tehre DeuceBeta: he asked why i was there cause they were spending some alone time DeuceBeta: i said cause she lost 1000 million DeuceBeta: 100 DeuceBeta: not 1000 DeuceBeta: his avi jaw dropped DeuceBeta: apparantly she never told him DeuceBeta: and she cussed me out for mentioning it DeuceBeta: we did the math and found out she had left that 80 mil glued on teh floor DeuceBeta: so i told her go destroy it now DeuceBeta: this was in march DeuceBeta: thats when we learned of this DeuceBeta: she had given people in our family tokens under teh guise that she was staff and had a free acct for years and did alot of deals etc etc tec DeuceBeta: and in vz DeuceBeta: she was loaded DeuceBeta: so it didnt ring an alarm till she lied to me about how much she had DeuceBeta: i went to cherry pie DeuceBeta: and like always DeuceBeta: cp told me DeuceBeta: bring her facts DeuceBeta: finally when we had facts DeuceBeta: not assumptions DeuceBeta: or guesses : There are 57 ghosts. DeuceBeta: we passed it on to management DeuceBeta: and DeuceBeta: for a fact DeuceBeta: it did get to robert DeuceBeta: and he is investigateing and fixing teh needed scripts DeuceBeta: fact is ~Wintér~: ghosting , whoever wants down come down come down DeuceBeta: when all teh match was done i knwo for certian there was atleast 250 million DeuceBeta: math DeuceBeta: cuase she had given tom a total of 60 million DeuceBeta: and had 190 million in her turf when we went back DeuceBeta: tom DeuceBeta: gave me and my bro at teh time leo 5 mil a piece DeuceBeta: this is in january DeuceBeta: not march when we found out DeuceBeta: but in january when these tokens were legit TomNY: may I interject something bro? DeuceBeta: total i recieved 12 million DeuceBeta: sure bro DeuceBeta: and gave 80% away TomNY: She also told us all different things TomNY: To some she said it was Michael who was involved with her TomNY: to others she said Rabbit TomNY: I don't think either were DeuceBeta: i trusted her ~(£uñkyåli©)~: ! DeuceBeta: now DeuceBeta: in recent events : Dusty_Britches, Iona Bush, Ivana Humpalot, Kerry, Magik Knite, ~(£uñkyåli©)~, Aeyrlyn, Acolyte Toon, queens angel, Frenzy (VZ), Caretaker Icy Q, Caretaker Kashmir, PICKLES, Majicka, Muerto, TomNY, Steffi, DeuceBeta, Steine, Ðing Ðõng ®, and 57 ghosts. DeuceBeta: we have recieved word from people DeuceBeta: she gave them 20 million as well DeuceBeta: seems she liked 20 million DeuceBeta: i never knew she gave steffi 20 mil till her post TomNY: i never knew she gave some others 20 mil til today DeuceBeta: steffi was at one time her RW neighbor DeuceBeta: just found out DeuceBeta: she gave glenda 20 million also DeuceBeta: from esp youw ould have to ask glenda to make it a fact DeuceBeta: another avi who left world with 19 million in her pockets Dusty_Britches: I have a question DeuceBeta: was given 20 mil Magik Knite: Question still remains why Micheal had boxes upon boxe of 999999999T's in each and why he had someone ona turf with access to them DeuceBeta: i have no clue TomNY: Only Michael can answer that ===================================== Dreamscape Crash #1 ===================================== : Entering Locale: Speakers Corner (Auditorium) : Welcome back! You are returning as a ghost. Acolyte Toon: Welcome to Talk lister Acolyte Toon: If you have already registered, you don't need to register again Shatzi: Hi there all Acolyte Toon: To register, ESP a $ to me, Acolyte Toon Acolyte Toon: There is room for 489 more names Caretaker Kashmir: Shatzi, giant heads in back Acolyte Toon: ack Shatzi: lol Grampa Dan: Hiyas Shatzi...long time Shatzi: : There are 20 ghosts. Acolyte Toon: : Thu Jun 7 19:08:07 2001 Caretaker Icy Q: Acolyte Toon: ouch Shatzi: I'm feeling the love in this room! Kittie Kat: I tickle iceys butt Grampa Dan: is that CT abuse?? Kittie Kat: with my paws Caretaker Icy Q: Caretaker Kashmir: no defrosting her is abuse Caretaker Icy Q: Mayhap, Dan, mayhap Du§tyRo§e: lol Caretaker Kashmir: ShortStuff you want to come down and ask your question since you poofed? Caretaker Icy Q: Caretaker Kashmir: neat specs btw Shatzi: Hugggggs Short ShortStuff: No I had already talked with Tom and Deuce and got my answer ShortStuff: thanks Caretaker Kashmir: okeis Caretaker Icy Q: Shortstuff had the floor Caretaker Kashmir: egads, Rabzitis again Caretaker Kashmir: anyone who wishes a chance to speak please esp Toon Caretaker Kashmir: we'll stay here as long as there are people with questions or concerns Acolyte Toon: Welcome to Talk lister Acolyte Toon: If you have already registered, you don't need to register again Acolyte Toon: To register, ESP a $ to me, Acolyte Toon Caretaker Kashmir: or till I have to pass out Shatzi: Whichever comes first Caretaker Kashmir: ya Caretaker Icy Q: Soon for me Caretaker Kashmir: if you see Caretaker Kashmir: FDSLKJFSDFDSHF Caretaker Kashmir: that means my head hit the keys Shatzi: keyboard face!!! Acolyte Toon: thats normal though Caretaker Kashmir: hush toon Caretaker Kashmir: k, pull a name toon Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: Mystère Caretaker Kashmir: and if they arent' here add them back queens angel: we'll revive you, and brush letters off yr face Caretaker Kashmir: hey Myst your turn to speak Mystère: hi Mystère: sorry ~(£uñkyåli©)~: hi! Mystère: Is there going to be a token wipe Mystère: for alot of us we didnt get free things and have saved Caretaker Kashmir: no Caretaker Icy Q: That has not been considered as an option Caretaker Icy Q: NO Caretaker Icy Q: Does that help? Caretaker Icy Q: Mystère: thanks Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: Iona Bush Caretaker Kashmir: don't see her up there Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: Topaz Caretaker Icy Q: Topaz has the floor Topaz: thanks Topaz: First off...I don't care for the rat cracks...but I will let that pass Topaz: Next...It was stated that everyone in DS had illegal tokens Topaz: Now that is not true Petora Noesoses: not me Topaz: Many if not most of us stopped buying and selling as soon as we saw what was happening DeuceBeta: and when was this? Topaz: For myself personally... Caretaker Kashmir: deuce she had her chance to speak Caretaker Kashmir: I mean you had yours Topaz: I have never bought off the street thank you Caretaker Kashmir: allow her to speak freely please Topaz: I only buy from 2 or 3 long established stores Topaz: Next...DueceBeta stated that they found out about this scam in March was it? TomNY: And wot have long established stores bought their items with? Petora Noesoses: pardon?? Du§tyRo§e: wait Caretaker Kashmir: one person at a time Topaz: If you wish me to run a list of everything I have bought in EG's store, I will gladly do so Caretaker Kashmir: Topaz is speakin Du§tyRo§e: long established shops have stuff Topaz: It runs to less than 20 items I imagine Du§tyRo§e: let her finish Topaz: Anyways... Topaz: If you all knew the tokens were illegal in March...why did you continue to circulate them in the economy? DeuceBeta: we havent Topaz: I have personally seen it happen TomNY: Excuse me DeuceBeta: teh toekns we were given were all gone before we found out TomNY: I have many tokens that have nothing to do with the "scam" TomNY: rightly earned by me Topaz: You have compared DS to VZ many times DeuceBeta: what you fail to fathom is we do alot of business in both worlds TomNY: You cannot tell me which are which Topaz: Always stating that millions were exchanged in VZ, so you thought it was legit in DS DeuceBeta: i was paying 30k vz for anime to be delived here and it sold for 100's Topaz: Yet Tom and Taffin have been in DS for quite a long time Topaz: They knew the economy TomNY: on and off TomNY: I was here from 8/99-2/2000 Topaz: But regardless of all this...I am wondering...what is management planning if anything to do to fix this? TomNY: returned in january DeuceBeta: they day i got here anime heads were in the 100k range TomNY: Kash? Topaz: done Caretaker Kashmir: Tom? DeuceBeta: managemnet didnt cause this TomNY: your management Caretaker Kashmir: well I am middle management Caretaker Kashmir: but I will try to answer Dusty_Britches: a bunch of dishonest avis did DeuceBeta: teh population should fix it not ask management too Caretaker Kashmir: first off I would hope that those who found major bundles around town Caretaker Kashmir: would turn them in Caretaker Kashmir: that's a personal hope Caretaker Kashmir: second, we've discussed a few options Dusty_Britches: bundles? Caretaker Kashmir: but with the quantity out there Caretaker Kashmir: its hard to find something fair and that would put a dent in it Dusty_Britches: I have a suggestion Caretaker Kashmir: yes, have heard that people found 20M bundles ~(£uñkyåli©)~: me too Caretaker Kashmir: suggestions are wonderful Caretaker Kashmir: lets hear em queens angel: wow Dusty_Britches: I say =========================================== Dreamscape Crash #2 =========================================== : Entering Locale: Speakers Corner (Auditorium) : Welcome back! You are returning as a ghost. Mikki: that's always so fun : Thu Jun 7 19:37:39 2001 Caretaker Kashmir: time for the next 10 minutes Topaz: lol Dusty_Britches: ok Dusty_Britches: I had a suggestion Acolyte Toon: well i was workin on 15 Caretaker Kashmir: yes go ahead Dusty Dusty_Britches: make everything in museum a vendo for one week Caretaker Kashmir: and Lunky had one too ~(£uñkyåli©)~: where is every one? Dusty_Britches: they have the effect would be short lived Caretaker Kashmir: everyone is outside hitting the GO button Dusty_Britches: the effect Caretaker Kashmir: but the thing with that Dusty Kittie Kat: good exercise all day Acolyte Toon: what about the blondes who cant read??? ~(£uñkyåli©)~: lol! Caretaker Kashmir: is all vendos do really is remove 20% Kittie Kat: huggers all Kittie Kat: again Caretaker Kashmir: since you can pawn it Dusty_Britches: I say this Dusty_Britches: because Caretaker Kashmir: it retains 80% of its value Dusty_Britches: they would not be a demand for rares Caretaker Kashmir: T dun make me find some pink paint in a can caught Star: Kerry Mystère: for us that didnt get stuff will you have 100 percent pawn for us? Caretaker Kashmir: only until the next event Mystère: like in vz? Caretaker Kashmir: 100% pawn perhaps again Dusty_Britches: I have nothing I want to pawn Dusty_Britches: at 100% Mystère: my old kitchen LOL Petora Noesoses: can we adress the new millionaires first with all due respect Dusty_Britches: something has to be done Caretaker Kashmir: Pet we will address what everyone wants to address Caretaker Kashmir: when its their turn on the floor Star: Steffi Star: Mystère: sorry Pet Steffi: huggles star Caretaker Kashmir: we addressed Tom and Deuce for an hour Dusty_Britches: it is not fair to the ones that have earned their tokens honestly Acolyte Toon: people who regged before u still on list Caretaker Kashmir: and to continue this as a TOm and Deuce bash Dusty_Britches: and it is not fair to the poor avie ~(£uñkyåli©)~: or that dont have that much Caretaker Kashmir: is not going to get us anywhere DeuceBeta: ds need viagra ~(£uñkyåli©)~: lol Caretaker Kashmir: yes Dusty I agree something does have to be done Caretaker Kashmir: and suggestions are always welcome : Thu Jun 7 19:41:31 2001 ~(£uñkyåli©)~: is the list still going on? Star: well Ive always maintained we should do away with tokens Caretaker Kashmir: and why do I have this damn lag Caretaker Kashmir: yes it is Acolyte Toon: Welcome to Talk lister Acolyte Toon: If you have already registered, you don't need to register again Acolyte Toon: To register, ESP a $ to me, Acolyte Toon Dusty_Britches: for a book to go for 2 million tokens Star: make all vendos free Star: prizes would become more valuble that way Caretaker Kashmir: while a nice idea Star Star: and we could barter Caretaker Kashmir: that leaves us with a huge database of pixels Topaz: We need less tokens inworld though, not more. Free vendos mean lots of pawning Caretaker Kashmir: and there isn't infinate server space to hold that ~(£uñkyåli©)~: thats the point...this is just pixels!!! Caretaker Kashmir: well, free vendos mean Star: I dont agree with that Caretaker Kashmir: items with 0 value Caretaker Kashmir: can't pawn Topaz: ahhh ic Dusty_Britches: why not put a limit on the amount of tokens you can have at 2 million Star: there could be another way to get rid of them Dusty_Britches: then Caretaker Kashmir: because the cat is out of the bag already Dusty DeuceBeta: all in all it seems to make people want to play events more to accutully win an item Dusty_Britches: cut those down that have over 2 mil down to 2 mil Dusty_Britches: and give everyone else 2 mil Acolyte Toon: well that aint fair Caretaker Kashmir: what about the ones that earned over 2M Mystère: LOL i wish DeuceBeta: becuase i can buy and sell and make 2 mill from 50t in less than a month Acolyte Toon: what about people who have paid RW money to earn those Topaz: Well in Hotel when the duped tokens were wiped, they also wiped all the honest tokens too. But the economy recovered Acolyte Toon: sorry hushing Acolyte Toon: bad toon DeuceBeta: and also Dusty_Britches: how about the people that pay RW money to be in here and can't afford anything because they are honest Caretaker Kashmir: wiping isn't an option DeuceBeta: any items you ahve keep vendo worth DeuceBeta: you could invest in a million lux items and be safe froma token wipe Kittie Kat: in this mess here we are having, there are NO easy anwers TomNY: we all pay rw money to be here Kittie Kat: I think at this time ~(£uñkyåli©)~: i have a suggestion Du§tyRo§e: what if we just surrendered all tk stashes over 2 mil DeuceBeta: at only a 20% loss Dusty_Britches: I know we do Caretaker Kashmir: who is I? ~(£uñkyåli©)~: funkyalic Shatzi: Not to interupt, but this is a general thing to everyone. Perhaps some of you may not be aware, but a long time ago there was a bug with a vending machine (desk I think?) that produced many many tokens...and in the place of memories there was a statue.... ~(£uñkyåli©)~: Star: but none of that solves the greed problem Star: and it will all come around again Dusty_Britches: and your money you pay does not give you any more rights than mine Petora Noesoses: I thought we were going by list Star: this isnt the first time Caretaker Kashmir: we are, but I have the floor and I asked for suggestions ~(£uñkyåli©)~: yes go on with the list Shatzi: placed, It's name is unity shines brighter than gold...and from my understanding most of the "illeagle" tokens were returned, thus the name Caretaker Kashmir: and I want to comment on them so no one feels I am just dismissing the comments Kittie Kat: but the token mess we had before was not done by avies Caretaker Kashmir: but anyone not making a suggestion Star: yeah but alot of good that did Caretaker Kashmir: please refrain from comment until your turn Star: here we are again Star: same problem ~(£uñkyåli©)~: i want to!! Caretaker Kashmir: because you're talking all over each other Star: rw greed Caretaker Kashmir: if you wish to comment please reg to Toon and we'll get to you in time I promise ~(£uñkyåli©)~: leads to iw grred Dusty_Britches: I think alot of this hinges on honesty ~(£uñkyåli©)~: grred ~(£uñkyåli©)~: greed TomNY: I think it also hinges on having an open mind ~(£uñkyåli©)~: lol! Caretaker Kashmir: Funky please lets hear your reduction suggestion DeuceBeta: if i may ask Dusty_Britches: no DeuceBeta: one wuestion Du§tyRo§e: if we all had about the same amout of tks then thngs would go back to being sold for reasonable figures Caretaker Kashmir: no you may not Deuce Dusty_Britches: a thief is a thief DeuceBeta: who stole? TomNY: yes who stole? Petora Noesoses: well going to bed soon unless this gets organized TomNY: so am I Caretaker Kashmir: Caretaker Kashmir: guys Je§§ica: lol Dusty_Britches: anything ill gotten is theift Caretaker Kashmir: reg to Toon ~(£uñkyåli©)~: list is the key Caretaker Kashmir: please do not talk over each other ~(£uñkyåli©)~: people can make comments and suggestions by list Caretaker Kashmir: if you have comments about my meeting stye you can feel free to esp me Caretaker Kashmir: Funky what is your suggestion ~(£uñkyåli©)~: ok ~(£uñkyåli©)~: it already been said ~(£uñkyåli©)~: but ~(£uñkyåli©)~: i tjhink we should check out who payed rw money for ts ~(£uñkyåli©)~: and then reset and give a certain amount to every one Shatzi: no way of doing that, many members did it among themselves ~(£uñkyåli©)~: start over thats it Star: that might be pretty hard Star: I bought tokens off ebay ~(£uñkyåli©)~: yes Je§§ica: so what if you just earned them? ~(£uñkyåli©)~: but Du§tyRo§e: i think we have 2 issues here 1 how to fix the economy and 2 how to punish the instigators and participants Petora Noesoses: can toon start calling pls ~(£uñkyåli©)~: yes...petora...you're right Caretaker Kashmir: I will discuss that with the others Funky ~(£uñkyåli©)~: go with the list Acolyte Toon: calling u what?? Caretaker Kashmir: as for punishment Petora Noesoses: before we crash again Caretaker Kashmir: those involved already have been Caretaker Kashmir: ghead toon ~(£uñkyåli©)~: see Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: ~(£uñkyåli©)~ Caretaker Kashmir: okay then ~(£uñkyåli©)~: i wonder how they got this much...can someone answer that? Caretaker Kashmir: who exactly? ~(£uñkyåli©)~: dont care who ever knows ~(£uñkyåli©)~: you Caretaker Kashmir: basically how Tom said Caretaker Kashmir: there was a large sum of tokens in Michaels turf TomNY: Michael had a turf with billions of t's ~(£uñkyåli©)~: i crashed i dont know Caretaker Kashmir: and they were passed out TomNY: he added Tangent to his lease ~(£uñkyåli©)~: but were do they come from?? Caretaker Kashmir: Michael made them TomNY: Tangent handed out 20 million to at least 10 people i know of ~(£uñkyåli©)~: haha ~(£uñkyåli©)~: thats it ~(£uñkyåli©)~: why not just punish him then? Caretaker Kashmir: he has been Petora Noesoses: OK call another Star: Michael corrupt? lol big surprize Caretaker Kashmir: from what I understand Je§§ica: lol Star: oops miseps Petora Noesoses: this is old news Caretaker Kashmir: Pet ~(£uñkyåli©)~: ok im a newbie,...dont no about that ~(£uñkyåli©)~: but Caretaker Kashmir: not everyone reads the UG forum Star: you are very lucky Petora Noesoses: Yes kash I am mad Star: wish I was a newbie Caretaker Kashmir: yanno Pet Du§tyRo§e: but now what to fix the ecomomy Caretaker Kashmir: so am I Petora Noesoses: vvery Caretaker Kashmir: but let Funky ask her legitimate questions ~(£uñkyåli©)~: i know that im too young to have a credit card and buy anime ~(£uñkyåli©)~: and those people with millions can have whatever they want Petora Noesoses: sorry missed that ~(£uñkyåli©)~: and they do auctions for thoses ~(£uñkyåli©)~: its unfair ~(£uñkyåli©)~: i have 15k and will probably never have more : Thu Jun 7 19:53:37 2001 : Du§tyRo§e, DeuceBeta, Ivana Humpalot, Steffi, Grampa Dan, Kerry, Kittie Kat, TomNY, Mystère, Shatzi, ~(£uñkyåli©)~, Petora Noesoses, Je§§ica, tinny tim, Caretaker Kashmir, Star, Dusty_Britches, Topaz, Acolyte Toon, Mikki, and 43 ghosts. TomNY: may i interject? ~(£uñkyåli©)~: sure TomNY: I have done one auction here that netted one million ~(£uñkyåli©)~: hey i cant accept that TomNY: I matched that and raffled 2 million to the community ~(£uñkyåli©)~: thx!! anyway Petora Noesoses: hun no worries TomNY: I see DS people here doing auctions yes TomNY: done ~(£uñkyåli©)~: well....if you want to but its too much Petora Noesoses: OK making it smaller ~(£uñkyåli©)~: well thx!! i owe you on! ~(£uñkyåli©)~: one ~(£uñkyåli©)~: but auctions ~(£uñkyåli©)~: it is always the same crowd going there and buying ~(£uñkyåli©)~: i will NEVER have anime till i have a credit card Je§§ica: *sigh* ~(£uñkyåli©)~: thats unfair! Caretaker Kashmir: Funky there is an anime trade only group ~(£uñkyåli©)~: you probably have one so u can get it Caretaker Kashmir: I forget the URL if anyone knows it off hand? ~(£uñkyåli©)~: dont have anything to trade Je§§ica: we were all kids once hun Star: shouldnt Robert just make a decision? Caretaker Kashmir: you will one day hun Star: Its his world ~(£uñkyåli©)~: never had rare item or ts to buy it Du§tyRo§e: some of us will trade event prizes for anime Acolyte Toon: www.giveanimetotoon.com Caretaker Kashmir: Rabbit is the DS world manager Caretaker Kashmir: Toon you are a twit Acolyte Katze: well duh Acolyte Toon: uh huh Star: SLy Shatzi: loading toon's web page Petora Noesoses: How abt dutch people not even able to pay for their account via pay pal : Thu Jun 7 19:57:32 2001 ~(£uñkyåli©)~: so i think thet shold preset reasonnable prices on anime items Du§tyRo§e: try the weekend games and hunts ok funky Caretaker Kashmir: Funky esp elujzim and she can give you the URL for the trade page ~(£uñkyåli©)~: dont have anything to trade anyway ~(£uñkyåli©)~: thx! Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: Mystère Petora Noesoses: and no it's no myths dutch people cannt pay via pay pal Mystère: one quick ? Caretaker Kashmir: sure hun DeuceBeta: can i make a sugestion ~(£uñkyåli©)~: gotta go DeuceBeta: that i made at the last meeting ~(£uñkyåli©)~: bye kittie Caretaker Kashmir: unless that's Myst no Mystère: who dumped tokens on the streets in large quant and why? Kittie Kat: bye Star: remember the good old days when we didnt even have turfs ~(£uñkyåli©)~: bye petora...thx again!! ~(£uñkyåli©)~: bye all DeuceBeta: why dont people donate prizes they win to a ct oops acolyte and have a huge auction Star: people actually got to know each other and have fun Mystère: did alot find them Caretaker Kashmir: Myst, we're not sure who dumped them for sure DeuceBeta: or any otehr item Star: wonder what thats like DeuceBeta: and they can destroy the tokens Caretaker Kashmir: and no way of knowing without asking that one person why Mystère: was it old guides that were let go maybe? Shatzi: win an acolyte? Dusty_Britches: sheesh when was this? Shatzi: Do we get to boss them around? Star: yes Sly, we actually had fun, got to know each other, fell in love Caretaker Kashmir: not the recent ones no hun DeuceBeta: every one can trust the cts Caretaker Kashmir: hey guys, one at a time DeuceBeta: and Acolyte Phrog: Evenin all Caretaker Kashmir: come on Shatzi: Tibs on Gotta DeuceBeta: thsi sash sells for 500k Topaz: Phrog Shatzi: dibs Mystère: how much was dumped? Star: none of us could afford a scarlett head so we gave up DeuceBeta: eventually teh tokens would dry up Star: oops sorry thought I was in esp Shatzi: Great idea, Elu! Mystère: they cant dry up....we earn more each day and they keep circulating dont they? Acolyte Toon: no hockey with tortoise phroggy Dusty_Britches: I can't afford nothing in either world Caretaker Kashmir: scoreboard phrog Acolyte Phrog: OK Av's fans, ur guys kicked our butt. We'll see ya again Sat Caretaker Kashmir: yes they keep circulating Caretaker Kashmir: and we're trying to come to a solution to stop it Mystère: so how will this be fair to those who didnt find anything Acolyte Phrog: hahaah thanks Dan Petora Noesoses: OK toon call Kittie Kat: next name is Caretaker Kashmir: I can understand that Myst Kittie Kat: drum roll Caretaker Kashmir: we're trying to find a solution Caretaker Kashmir: hey guys Mystère: ty kash Caretaker Kashmir: yanno what now I am annoyed Acolyte Toon: wow kash can throw her voice Mystère: why? Caretaker Kashmir: not at you Myst Caretaker Kashmir: please allowe everyone the time they need to ask their questions Caretaker Kashmir: when they are done we will call a new name Caretaker Kashmir: do not be so rude as to talk over them Caretaker Kashmir: or to rush them Caretaker Kashmir: you're all being really unfair Mystère: did anyone ever say how much was found? Caretaker Kashmir: myst had a question and I was trying to answer it Caretaker Kashmir: and all this next next Caretaker Kashmir: because you want your questions addressed is not right Caretaker Kashmir: I said I will stay here till its all answered and I meant it Acolyte Phrog: Carol...hehehehe look at what Dan just handed me... Caretaker Kashmir: but be considerate of everyone else Star: awww Acolyte Phrog: ...I gotta talk to Pie Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: Ðing Ðõng ® Caretaker Kashmir: Shy to Toon please Caretaker Kashmir: DD are you back? Caretaker Kashmir: she's not back Toon Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: Du§tyRo§e Du§tyRo§e: so i have a ? Caretaker Kashmir: ask away Du§tyRo§e: and a suggestion Caretaker Kashmir: no problem Du§tyRo§e: first didnt you ppl getting 20mil guess where the tks came from and figure out that it wsnt fair to the rest of us L@dy Dr@cul: thanks phroggie Acolyte Phrog: Hiyas LD hugggiess Caretaker Kashmir: Deuce or Tom? L@dy Dr@cul: huggggggs all DeuceBeta: when talking with tang Caretaker Kashmir: or anyone else that got something? DeuceBeta: she told us these were toekns she had gotten from doing deals here Je§§ica: at least I know why Tang is gone all makes sense now DeuceBeta: and she knew how well we did business in vz Du§tyRo§e: yeah right and you believed her DeuceBeta: yes i did DeuceBeta: just like i believe you L@dy Dr@cul: alright excuse me DB Du§tyRo§e: moveing on Je§§ica: L@dy Dr@cul: DustyRose L@dy Dr@cul: I have kept quiet on this entire subject L@dy Dr@cul: I have kept my mouth shut with all the attacks on the detroit family Du§tyRo§e: i didnt attack anyone i just asked an open ? Star: whos talkin? L@dy Dr@cul: I'm sorry Je§§ica: LD I think Shatzi: Dusy and LD L@dy Dr@cul: I will wait my turn Ivana Humpalot: yes LD Star: ok thanks Star: Caretaker Kashmir: I'm just gonna coment here Du§tyRo§e: ct id personally would like to see the ecomony fixed Caretaker Kashmir: T@ngent was a guide in VZc Du§tyRo§e: and im not attacking anyone Caretaker Kashmir: if Toon say was in VZc Caretaker Kashmir: and gave out tokens Je§§ica: Guide Cayenne Caretaker Kashmir: cheap bassid wouldn't tho DeuceBeta: and dusty to fully answer your question i trusted cay she was a guide in vz and never did i catch her lying until too late Acolyte Toon: hey Caretaker Kashmir: the DS members would believe him Caretaker Kashmir: and yes we all agree something needs to be done Caretaker Kashmir: and we're working on different ideas to do something Du§tyRo§e: i have a suggestion management needs to just remove all tks stashes ofve 2 or 3 mil then well all be poor Caretaker Kashmir: not me, still under the 1M mark here DeuceBeta: what about people who sold there tut head for 2 mil? Caretaker Kashmir: tiny turf addiction DeuceBeta: or turfs? Du§tyRo§e: stuff will go back to being reasonable Je§§ica: no way to do that fairly DeuceBeta: hwo is that fair? Dusty_Britches: I am still under the 100k mark here Du§tyRo§e: tough shitsky : Thu Jun 7 20:10:35 2001 Dusty_Britches: I have a fully furnished rare turf for sell Du§tyRo§e: if your stashing over a mil you hve stuff too Acolyte Toon: i had a mill oncethen freinds want bodys Du§tyRo§e: lol Je§§ica: bull I pay to be in here and earn my tokens blah blah blah .. I dont have a mil tokens ... but they are Mine Du§tyRo§e: el Star: some people paid real world money for tokens Star: too bad for them too? Caretaker Kashmir: we'll try to come up with a fair solution for everyone Du§tyRo§e: your right some ppl dont care about the game just about being rich and powerful Dusty_Britches: give all of us that don't have 20 mil,20 mil Du§tyRo§e: if someone really did that can be verified witn e-mial Je§§ica: the honest ones shouldnt have to suffer because of the dishonesty either Shatzi: Huggggs Gotta Caretaker Kashmir: no RTW tonight btw Acolyte Gotta: Huggs Acolyte Gotta: awwwww Caretaker Kashmir: duh Acolyte Phrog: Hiya Gotta hugggggs Dusty_Britches: you have the power to see how many t's a person has Star: I can only speak for myself and I bought tokens off ebay to buy a bear I could never afford Du§tyRo§e: honest isnt the issue now fixing the economy is Star: not to be rich Star: lol Acolyte Katze: who let you back in? Acolyte Toon: gutter Je§§ica: lol Du§tyRo§e: the perpetrators have already been punished Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Gotta: LOL kash let me in Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: Petora Noesoses Star: how can you punish someone who was fired already? Star: just curious Caretaker Kashmir: many way Star Je§§ica: not if they arnt inworld Star: not asking for many just name one Du§tyRo§e: the solution is are the friends and business associates of these cheaters going to ruin the game Caretaker Kashmir: okay CT comment Petora Noesoses: OK to start with I want to commend steffi for speaking up Caretaker Kashmir: 1) this is not a game Je§§ica: Yes Je§§ica: Agreed Caretaker Kashmir: 2) your frienships and loves which are what DS is about Ivana Humpalot: i 2nd that Caretaker Kashmir: have nothing to do with tokens or pixels Caretaker Kashmir: it only ruins it if you let it Star: Steffi is a wonderful person Caretaker Kashmir: I apologize Pet Petora Noesoses: also I am very glad Micheal came forward Star: before and after this incident Acolyte Phrog: If ya think this place is a game, maybe ya need to look for someplace else to play Dusty_Britches: it is wonderful to get screwed and not even get a kiss? Star: he did? DeuceBeta: if i may interject Petora Noesoses: with being in fault to put T@ngent on turf Star: Michael came forward and admitted his part? Du§tyRo§e: i only use the term game as oppse to it bieng a livelihood L@dy Dr@cul: yes he did DeuceBeta: have i given any one the impression i am dumb? Caretaker Kashmir: let Pet finish first Deuce Star: L@dy Dr@cul: in the UG forum Caretaker Kashmir: guys let Pet speak too Caretaker Kashmir: ask I asked her to let you speak DeuceBeta: i was telling people how much i had would i do that if i were hiding any of it? Petora Noesoses: I never believved he would hurt this worl willingly DeuceBeta: we raffled 60 anime items Topaz: Please let Pet speak L@dy Dr@cul: shhhhh DB DeuceBeta: thats screaming hey i am loaded Star: no comment Petora Noesoses: he allways had our economy at heart Caretaker Kashmir: Deuce please allow pet to speak first Petora Noesoses: was his first priority Star: what I want to know is why Michael had a billion tokens in his turf Star: if he is SO innocent : Thu Jun 7 20:16:26 2001 Acolyte Toon: star if u have questiong get added to list please Du§tyRo§e: well thats my sugestion if no one had mils of tokens to bid on stuff the crap would stop Star: I am only stating what others are esping me btw Petora Noesoses: he destroyed acces tokens didn't he Star: oh sorry thought I was in esp Star: Petora Noesoses: anyway Dusty_Britches: Michael priority I think was women,not this world Star: rofl Topaz: oh please Petora Noesoses: My qyeustion to peeps who got acces tokens turn them in pls Star: scary Du§tyRo§e: and we could all go back to trading for stuff and enjoying chatting Petora Noesoses: and let a CT destroy them Petora Noesoses: OK said my word L@dy Dr@cul: who is stopping you from enjoying chatting? Du§tyRo§e: good grief lately the lobby and elevators have been so croweded with ppl selling stuff you cant get donw to chat Caretaker Kashmir: Deuce you had something? Topaz: Kashmir? When you stated no bashing allowed, doesn't that also apply for the Michael bashing happeing now? L@dy Dr@cul: then find another locale Topaz: excuse me? L@dy Dr@cul: the only one stopping you from chatting is yourself DeuceBeta: i keep getting DeuceBeta: you knew Star: havent seen any bashing, just questions needing answers DeuceBeta: you had to knoew DeuceBeta: and no folks i didnt know Du§tyRo§e: not basking anyone even you DB Du§tyRo§e: so leave me alone DeuceBeta: once i had tokens i did with em like i always do DeuceBeta: i invested and made alot of profit DeuceBeta: got to a good level then gave them away DeuceBeta: and did it all over again DeuceBeta: thats how i liek to spend my time here DeuceBeta: you meet more people when doing deals Du§tyRo§e: i simply stated if you remove the extra tks from the world the inflation would stop DeuceBeta: and find out hwo you can trust DeuceBeta: who DeuceBeta: i have met many of you Je§§ica: wall street DeuceBeta: and was always open about how much i made each day TomNY: Dustyrose you got over a million t's yourself when you came TomNY: did u mention that? DeuceBeta: i sold em to her Du§tyRo§e: my focus is on a solution TomNY: oh now it is? DeuceBeta: for vz tokens Star: catfight Star: TomNY: It's the truth but that part was failed to be mentioned Du§tyRo§e: yes i had a little over a mil from selling rares in vz Ivana Humpalot: the plot thickens Du§tyRo§e: im talking about ppl with over 5 mil Caretaker Kashmir: Dusty may I ask Acolyte Justice: there is my part Du§tyRo§e: big difference Acolyte Justice: how many? DeuceBeta: hi justice Caretaker Kashmir: those are yours J Caretaker Kashmir: stop Star: lol Acolyte Justice: distroy them please Acolyte Gotta: I'll take them Caretaker Kashmir: no these are yours Shatzi: LMAO, Gotta Acolyte Justice: I am sick of fighting Acolyte Gotta: j/k Caretaker Kashmir: from years of being here Acolyte Justice: yes I earned them Acolyte Toon: halfies gutter Star: cant we all just get along? Acolyte Justice: take them out Acolyte Gotta: deal, toon Caretaker Kashmir: so quit it Caretaker Kashmir: no TomNY: So if I traded my VZ things for DS t's i'm a thief? TomNY: But you aren't? Acolyte Justice: only way to solve this Acolyte Justice: is take them out Acolyte Gotta: deal, toon Caretaker Kashmir: so quit it Caretaker Kashmir: no TomNY: So if I traded my VZ things for DS t's i'm a thief? TomNY: But you aren't? Acolyte Justice: only way to solve this Acolyte Justice: is take them out Shatzi: Very brave of you, Justice : Thu Jun 7 20:24:04 2001 Shatzi: I commend that Caretaker Kashmir: will not destroy these J, that's not the point Acolyte Justice: yes she is mad Caretaker Kashmir: I apprciate the example Acolyte Justice: i think people will give tokens back Caretaker Kashmir: I asked that up front Du§tyRo§e: set the amount anywhere management thinks it was just a suggestion to fix the economy Acolyte Justice: I belive in all of us Caretaker Kashmir: and heard nothing Caretaker Kashmir: Dusty Acolyte Justice: cant make managment do it all Caretaker Kashmir: would you think it fair Acolyte Justice: they cant Acolyte Justice: we have to Acolyte Justice: Acolyte Justice: thats all Caretaker Kashmir: for us to set the limit at 500k? Dusty_Britches: Justice,if your tokens are not ill gotten why should you have to give them back? Du§tyRo§e: ty for the chance to share my thoughts Caretaker Kashmir: because J cares Acolyte Katze: to set an example Caretaker Kashmir: alot not that you don't Dusty_Britches: I know he does Je§§ica: he is setting an example Caretaker Kashmir: and J wants to set an example DeuceBeta: maybe to prove tokens are just that tokens or something not real Dusty_Britches: but the ones with the ill gotten gains should give back the t's Grampa Dan: Is Toon's list now a forgotten thing?? Caretaker Kashmir: no its not Acolyte Gotta: Du§tyRo§e: not meant to be unfair to anyone i worked hard for the half mil i got left too Caretaker Kashmir: so did EG Steffi: who is to decide who has 'good' t's and who has 'bad' t's? Caretaker Kashmir: so did Beanie Caretaker Kashmir: yet they would be hit Du§tyRo§e: but lets fidn a sulution is all im saying Caretaker Kashmir: so Toon next please Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Caretaker Kashmir: and you too Jazmint Acolyte Toon: Dusty_Britches Du§tyRo§e: ty Dusty_Britches: I think that 80 mil pretty well sets you up as ill gotten gain Dusty_Britches: people sya L@dy Dr@cul: oh condemn and run, gotta love that Dusty_Britches: say Dusty_Britches: and I hear it all the time Jazmine: oops sorry gotta Dusty_Britches: it is only pixels Acolyte Gotta: No worries Jazmine: Dusty_Britches: but Dusty_Britches: we all spend RW money to be in here,so we pay RW money for any and all oixels ShyGuy: it seems the purpose of this community has been lost in the almighty dollar sifn Dusty_Britches: pixels ShyGuy: sgn ShyGuy: sign Dusty_Britches: I like to turf build Star: yup always been that way Caretaker Kashmir: let dusty finish her thought Dusty_Britches: but once in awhile I like to get a rare item Dusty_Britches: but Dusty_Britches: forget that Dusty_Britches: I am one that will never be rich in here Dusty_Britches: I have given away many things I could have sold Dusty_Britches: because I like to bring happiness Dusty_Britches: to others Dusty_Britches: I hate to see this world brought to it's knees Dusty_Britches: by greed Dusty_Britches: we all know ShyGuy: i will never be rich..... what i carry in my pockets and a few k tokens is sufficient for me to get on here and enjoy the relationships and games Dusty_Britches: that there is no other world like this DeuceBeta: well said shyguy : Thu Jun 7 20:30:54 2001 Dusty_Britches: but for a book to go for 2 million tokens is to much Caretaker Kashmir: I have a question then Star: someone got 2 mill for a book? Caretaker Kashmir: if you all feel its too much Dusty_Britches: we are letting to much of the RW come into our virtual home Je§§ica: solution? Acolyte Toon: send a $ then Caretaker Kashmir: why the heck are you all bidding? Dusty_Britches: because they can Shatzi: Problem is that not all of us are bidding Jazmine: not ALL are bidding Topaz: Not all of us bid Jazmine: most can not bid Dusty_Britches: with ill gotten tokens Jazmine: thats the problem Dusty_Britches: but most can't bid Star: I didnt even know there was an auction Jazmine: some bid what they can Jazmine: with no chance L@dy Dr@cul: I'm getting tired of this ILL GOTTEN tokens bullcrap Dusty_Britches: because of wheeling and dealing Star: How about banning auctions? Star: ShyGuy: a lot of concerned individuals... sorry i was not one of them... didn't have it to spare... have donated real money just to keep these worlds alive for the ones who enjoy it for what it is meant to be... the ones who will not sacrifice their tokens to kee Dusty_Britches: well what would you call it? Star: No shops allowed?? ShyGuy: it the same don't deserve to be iw anyway Dusty_Britches: being paid for services? Je§§ica: that will not work L@dy Dr@cul: excuse me????? Topaz: lol Dusty_Britches: and then it was spread around Jazmine: I have a suggestion when its my turn Steffi: ditto on that ld L@dy Dr@cul: what in the hell do you mean by paid for services? Caretaker Kashmir: sis, breathe L@dy Dr@cul: you insinuating something? Caretaker Kashmir: she didn't mean it that way Steffi: sure sounded THAT way Dusty_Britches: not to you Dusty_Britches: or about you Dusty_Britches: the person that got the tokens in the first place Star: catfight Caretaker Kashmir: lets try not to make this a free for all Caretaker Kashmir: if we could Steffi: PERSONS L@dy Dr@cul: zipping lip til my turn Steffi: plural Caretaker Kashmir: yep it sure is Kerry Caretaker Kashmir: and keep it nicer please Dusty_Britches: well,we all know where it started Dusty_Britches: and why Jazmine: play nice kids Steffi: do we? Caretaker Kashmir: the total fault here lies with those that made and distributed illegal items Star: I dont Dusty_Britches: so don't sugar coat it Star: enlighten us Caretaker Kashmir: not the people who were given the items Steffi: haven't Caretaker Kashmir: period Je§§ica: yes and we need to fix it ... instead of hash and bash Steffi: but not JUDGING it either Dusty_Britches: all I am saying is Je§§ica: no matter what ... there will be NO way to please everyone either Dusty_Britches: that if you didn't earn the tokens by your own work Dusty_Britches: and you became rich ShyGuy: how short are our memories when we didn't have a world to fight over Acolyte Toon: people asking if list has been abandoned????? Star: lol Dusty_Britches: by the tokens that had no business be out here in the first place Caretaker Kashmir: no, I am just a hair disgusted at the moment Dusty_Britches: it is still my turn Je§§ica: oh fgs .. thats impossible DeuceBeta: kill those as well doll Dusty_Britches: then they are ill gotten tokens Jazmine: why not put a cap on items? Caretaker Kashmir: will destroy mine too : Thu Jun 7 20:36:23 2001 Jazmine: not let something be sold over a certain amount L@dy Dr@cul: destroy mine too sis Acolyte Toon: destroy gottas too ShyGuy: buying stolen goods does not entitled you to keep them just because you didn't know they were stolen......yeah right Dusty_Britches: and why not put a cap on tokens Caretaker Kashmir: sis, that's just sad L@dy Dr@cul: lol DeuceBeta: stolen from? Jazmine: putting a cap on tokens isn't fair Je§§ica: if you dont know .. ummmmm lol L@dy Dr@cul: yeah, hate to see 3k go lol Jazmine: for those who earned them Jazmine: in a shop Caretaker Kashmir: the point here has been totaly lost Je§§ica: yes it has Steffi: ya think? Caretaker Kashmir: the blame is not placed on those that received it Je§§ica: 40 mins ago Caretaker Kashmir: lets look at it Caretaker Kashmir: someone had a serious amount of tokens Caretaker Kashmir: someone else passed it around DeuceBeta: lol huggs synn Caretaker Kashmir: thats who is to blame Caretaker Kashmir: period Jazmine: we need to get passed the getting of tokens Caretaker Kashmir: not Deuce Caretaker Kashmir: not Tom Caretaker Kashmir: not Steffi Steffi: thank you ghostie Jazmine: and get to lets fix it Dusty_Britches: the blame should be on those that received it if they knew where it came from Caretaker Kashmir: not my uncle bob DeuceBeta: if you want some one to blame and it makes you feel better DeuceBeta: bolame me Acolyte Gotta: gah, thought it was uncle bob TomNY: will you not listen to reason? Kerry: but they didn't TomNY: We didn't know L@dy Dr@cul: they have told you TIME AND TIME again they did not know where the tokens came from Kerry: they didn't know they weren't legitimate TomNY: Did you know when you traded your t's? Dusty_Britches: then they need to give it back since now they know Caretaker Kashmir: only a bit over 1M TomNY: No you didnt know TomNY: same as we didnt know Dusty DeuceBeta: wait Petora Noesoses: can we donate tokens to be destroyed Acolyte Justice: thats all?? Kerry: and now they don'; thave them anymore to give back TomNY: To say we knew is to admit you knew Caretaker Kashmir: you sure J? DeuceBeta: i gave you 900k alone Shatzi: token crushing Acolyte Justice: yep go for it TomNY: u ready to do that dusty? Caretaker Kashmir: well I had nothin on me DeuceBeta: ahhhh Steffi: can i say something here? Steffi: please Dusty_Britches: I don't have any tokens TomNY: I was used same as the rest who got t's Star: wow look at all those tokens Caretaker Kashmir: gone TomNY: You had over one million Star: never seen that much Dusty_Britches: I never did DeuceBeta: i have Acolyte Lori: Just got them out of the ATM DeuceBeta: 1m and 3 tokens now L@dy Dr@cul: ok Dusty Caretaker Kashmir: Lori's as poor as me Dusty_Britches: have over one million t's Acolyte Lori: uh huh TomNY: Yes you did DeuceBeta: total Acolyte Lori: LOL Dusty_Britches: not Jazmine: why is everyone giving tokens that they've earned Acolyte Toon: gottas rich i just gave her a T L@dy Dr@cul: how many tokens did you get from your sell of all your stuff in VZ for DS tokens? Jazmine: thats not the point is it? Je§§ica: oh fgs TomNY: now the story changes DeuceBeta: me? Acolyte Gotta: Yup 1 whole T DeuceBeta: tons Caretaker Kashmir: Steffi please speak TomNY: Point is Kash said who is to blame Je§§ica: how can we FIX this? Dusty_Britches: where did I get 1 million tokens? TomNY: and its not anyone who was given t's Steffi: I didn't know.... Je§§ica: not who what where and when Star: not sure what destroying the tokens accomplishes Steffi: i trust someone who i thought was friend Steffi: who had given me 'gifts' prior to this Dusty_Britches: you better accuse someone else Caretaker Kashmir: it takes them out of circulation Caretaker Kashmir: and that is the point DeuceBeta: problem is i can give you every thing and i chose too make it all back in a week Dusty_Britches: I am most of the time parked in my turf L@dy Dr@cul: I didn't accuse you of anything Steffi: that would have also Acolyte Gotta: whimper Caretaker Kashmir: stop stop stop Steffi: been thought outrageous tinny tim: i am ghosting in 5 tinny tim: 4 tinny tim: 3 Caretaker Kashmir: let Steffi speak now tinny tim: 2 DeuceBeta: i cant fix teh problem only all of us can tinny tim: 1 Shatzi: awww poor gotta Steffi: this have already stated Acolyte Gotta: lol ShyGuy: anyone not willing to sacrifice exessive supposed illegal tokens doesn't care enough about the world or the people in it to even be worth discussing Steffi: the point is.. Dusty_Britches: I work four 10 hour days Steffi: the tokens that i received Steffi: are gone.. Dusty_Britches: and am not in here that much except parked TomNY: Does anyone understand that these tokens have been in the economy for SIX months? L@dy Dr@cul: is my name close to being drawn???????? Steffi: not by me, but by someone else who had access to the alt i was using TomNY: they didnt just happen yesterday Caretaker Kashmir: if all y'all want to do is point fingers nothing will be done here TomNY: do you get that yet? Dusty_Britches: well TomNY: SIX months Steffi: how am i suppose to get those back? Je§§ica: let Steffi talk fgs Acolyte Toon: : This is a token. Dusty_Britches: seem to me that a good part worlds have been down Steffi: i'll be more than happy to give the tiny bit i have left Steffi: it matters none to me Steffi: not why i come here Steffi: but stop blaming me and the others ShyGuy: ghosting for others Steffi: for something we didn't not control Steffi: nor were aware of in the beginning Steffi: enough its not why we are here Steffi: if you cant listen and keep an open mind Steffi: then you aren't part of the solution Steffi: your part of the problem Dusty_Britches: TomNY,you opened you big mouth now back it up with facts,when did I ever have 1 million tokens? Steffi: im done kash Ivana Humpalot: preach on my sistah Caretaker Kashmir: okay that's it Star: oh geez give it a rest would ya Acolyte Justice: Beyond Blame folks put up or shut up, This is OUR world be a part of it Caretaker Kashmir: next bash on anyone in particular Caretaker Kashmir: is the last one period Acolyte Justice: leaving now Acolyte Gotta: Huggggggggs J Steffi: i agree ghoste Steffi: but i can't retrieve tokens i didn't disperse now can i? Dusty_Britches: I want TomNY to explain to me when I ever had 1 million tokens Je§§ica: omg Je§§ica: just stop DeuceBeta: he meant dusty rose Acolyte Toon: *** Kenn's Name List Manager *** Acolyte Toon: Listing the top name in the list... Acolyte Toon: -- The first name in the list is -- Acolyte Toon: Kittie Kat TomNY: Yes I did Caretaker Kashmir: he meant another dusty Dusty_Britches: ok TomNY: Dustyrose : Thu Jun 7 20:43:28 2001 Caretaker Kashmir: there was two of you here Dusty_Britches: whew Caretaker Kashmir: ghead KK Shatzi: Ghosting for one more, Good Night all Kittie Kat: okies thankers Acolyte Gotta: g'nite shatzi Dusty_Britches: I thought I was richer than I thought I was Caretaker Kashmir: anyone else want to poof some tokens? Kittie Kat: hello everyone Acolyte Toon: gutter does Kittie Kat: I think most of you know me LADY LISA: Hi Kit Topaz: sure...take all I have Dusty_Britches: Hiya Kittie Topaz: but don't laugh Caretaker Kashmir: oy Kittie Kat: I have been in world for over 5 years Caretaker Kashmir: okay Kittie Kat: so I think I can say Kittie Kat: I know a lot about this community Kittie Kat: and i spend a lot of time in here Kittie Kat: I also have an avi in Vz but don't spent much time in ther Caretaker Kashmir: holy hell sis, stop playing roulette Kittie Kat: so I don't have an oppinion about vz since I don't hang out there Kittie Kat: it takes a long time to really understand the community Star: are we donating for jackpot? Jazmine: sorry I kept rent money Kittie Kat: wot goes on good and bad Kittie Kat: and now in DS Kittie Kat: we have this token dilemmea Kittie Kat: and now we have to find a way how to fix that Kittie Kat: it started a long time ago Tom was right 6 months ShyGuy: alll i own Kittie Kat: and that is a long time for tokens to mingle Kittie Kat: and there really will be no easy or fair way to solve this Je§§ica: Okies have a great night everyone Hopefully somehow we can actually find a solution Kittie Kat: but... Star: cool head Elu Kittie Kat: we all can use our thinking hats ElujziM: ::sigh:: Star: would you sell it for 12 billion tokens? Star: Kittie Kat: and I think the only way we can find the solution is think community Kittie Kat: not think me or I ElujziM: yesh, gotta ain't I lovely? Caretaker Kashmir: exactly KK Star: fer sure Kittie Kat: to solve this problem Trashka: yer not gettin all my T's Petora Noesoses: good point Trashka: but some Kittie Kat: I read last night in the Undeground and interesting suggestion Kittie Kat: I had the same thought last night Caretaker Kashmir: yes nikis Kittie Kat: that everyone Kittie Kat: can trade in tokens for new tokes ~*Ebil Yoyo*~: so wots the big deal in all this??? Du§tyRo§e: thats all i was trying to say is lest fix the problem and got bashed for it Kittie Kat: the current tokens would be obsolete Kittie Kat: and useless Star: tokes? as in keep on tokin? Topaz: Huggggs Dusty Du§tyRo§e: so to set the record strait i dont have a mil tks ~*Ebil Yoyo*~: lol Du§tyRo§e: and ron isnt my alt Caretaker Kashmir: well in the past 5 mins Caretaker Kashmir: we've removed about Caretaker Kashmir: 5.5M Caretaker Kashmir: from the economy : Thu Jun 7 20:49:26 2001 Kittie Kat: well... ~*Ebil Yoyo*~: we all payin customers...does it really matter wot we do with our tk's? LADY LISA: chump change to some in this world Caretaker Kashmir: its a start is it not? Kittie Kat: its a start DeuceBeta: and more than many will ever see Kittie Kat: but it will not solve the problem Du§tyRo§e: so when he gave you tks now he gave you the ones he earned esch day by logging on or a small jo here and there Acolyte Lori: Its a start everyone Acolyte Lori: We are showing that we care about this community Du§tyRo§e: ty espers for your kind words Topaz: exactly Acolyte Lori: Thats the point of this Caretaker Kashmir: actually KK Du§tyRo§e: and im glad ppl do care Star: and what if we are poor? we dont care about the community? Caretaker Kashmir: if those who have the big piles did this Dusty_Britches: shows the ones that really care about DS Caretaker Kashmir: it would Jazmine: and why haven't they? Caretaker Kashmir: its about pulling together Acolyte Lori: The way I measure my riches is not by the t's Acolyte Lori: Its by my friends Jazmine: why are all the regular folks doing it only? Caretaker Kashmir: actually wait here I have a pile to dump LADY LISA: If peeps care so much about "community," why are they so upset about a token cap of 2 million t's per avie? Kittie Kat: I was in world as we had the atm disaster last time Acolyte Lori: I have no idea about that Topaz: Good question Jazmine Kittie Kat: I seen wot happen there DeuceBeta: because its just another rule TomNY: Cap it at 250k TomNY: i dont care DeuceBeta: people will get 10 alts and have 2 m per avie Star: cap it at 1000 Du§tyRo§e: well it will get to the point where if your spending over 500k for anything ppl will know you dont care about the community DeuceBeta: loop holes every where Du§tyRo§e: nite all Jazmine: but if you gave at least part of what you got Kittie Kat: or maybe a cap per avie nikos: I think all of you guys who are giving up your tokens are making a mistake Du§tyRo§e: n huggz Topaz: But they will have to pay for the alts now at least Jazmine: it would help Acolyte Lori: I remember when a Monthly head would go for 100K tops Acolyte Lori: and it wasnt too long ago Jazmine: thats my point Jazmine: put a cap on items DeuceBeta: teh biggest help would be every one doing what they can nikos: let them fix it by starting another token system LADY LISA: I say wipe out all tokens over 2 million per account nikos: old tokens are good for rent and vendos Star: wipe out all over 100k nikos: only new tokens for new items Kittie Kat: wot do you think of a new tokens idea Kash DeuceBeta: if some one offeres you 2 million for a sash sell teh sash and destroy all teh toeknes except what you think is fair Kittie Kat: could that be done nikos: and trade in value Kittie Kat: ?? Jazmine: was it fair for anime heads bought then pawned? Dusty_Britches: tokens are part of this world,I don't come here for the tokens,but I like to build turfs and I need tokens to do it Star: then people would be forced to lower prices Jazmine: so the price of anime went sky high? Acolyte Lori: Kash..Do yo mind if I go in the next room to get more Caretaker Kashmir: yanno, with all that's in vmart nikos: there is one other solution DeuceBeta: you would get a huge case of star bellied sneetchs making a new economy Caretaker Kashmir: sure Lori DeuceBeta: now i want teh blue tokens no i want teh gold ones Caretaker Kashmir: ya can build a pretty nice turf Acolyte Lori: Okay anyone wanting to get rid of some... meet me ---> Dusty_Britches: listen to Kittie Caretaker Kashmir: what's that KK? nikos: how many of you were in hotel when the token flaw flooded it with tokens? Caretaker Kashmir: and KK to have new tokens Topaz: I was Kittie Kat: yes Caretaker Kashmir: we'd need more tech staf Kittie Kat: have a limit was avies can trade for Kittie Kat: and if some have larger sums nikos: does anyone here recall what happened in hotel? Kittie Kat: they can apply for it Topaz: and the ones that had the tokens didn't return them...which is why we had a token wipe Kittie Kat: well..have an atm where you put your old ones in Jazmint: what happen to one speaker or did i miss something Kittie Kat: and new ones come back to you LADY LISA: I see nothing wrong with a token wipe or at least reducing the amount of tokens from those with more than 2 million Star: or less nikos: token wipes are not the answer Jazmine: 2 million and avie is 4 million Jazmine: for 1 account Star: would that be a huge undertaking Kash? do wipe everything under a certain amount Jazmine: more if you have more than 1 account Caretaker Kashmir: yep it would be Star: no lower like 100k Jazmine: so the problem doesn't go away nikos: can't do thatpeople Star: why not? Jazmine: some have numerous accounts LADY LISA: Whatever amount - just used 2 million to be fair to shop owners and those who' LADY LISA: have been here for years nikos: that's not fair to those who have spent real world dollars for tokens nikos: or avatar wares Jazmine: As far as I saw Star: I have but I dont care if no one has that much prices would lower to compensate Caretaker Kashmir: a wipe of any kind Jazmine: shop owners did not jack their prices up ~*Ebil Yoyo*~: im from vz and i like it here and i wanna stay here but seein all this tonight is makin me have second thoughts Caretaker Kashmir: is not a consideration Jazmint: bubeye Star: too much work? Jazmine: its only auctions and people on the street LADY LISA: Someone is going to get hurt no matter what - guess we have to decide who that is Caretaker Kashmir: ah, we all have cranky moments to whoever said that nikos: don't let the door hit you in your ass on the way out Acolyte Toon: only way they are gonna be wiped is this way ~*Ebil Yoyo*~: oh your so nice L@dy Dr@cul: oh now that was nice Jazmine: question from the clouds..... Caretaker Kashmir: whoever said that Star: vz is just as bad Jazmine: why haven't the ones involved gave tokens Jazmine: to be destroyed???? Caretaker Kashmir: does not speak for the majority of the members Caretaker Kashmir: and none of the staff Steffi: ummm excuse me???????????? Star: Steffi did Ivana Humpalot: y0 ~*Ebil Yoyo*~: vz is much better than this nikos: nickos said that Jazmine: kk Steffi tell em Ivana Humpalot: we dont have to have *meetings* in vz about our economy Star: Steffi gave her last dime Steffi: i just gave what i have to kash Caretaker Kashmir: Lori and alexa are >>> if you want to give up your tokens Jazmine: I am just the messager Steffi: pay attn Jazmine: Steffi did everyone Jazmine: what about Tom? Jazmine: what about Deuce? Jazmint: lets give up items purchased with them tokens also Caretaker Kashmir: Deuce gave nikos: only fair and eqitable way is to introduce a new monetary system DeuceBeta: my tokens were gone months ago i gave 900k Jazmine: did Tom? ~*Ebil Yoyo*~: who gives a poop wot you do with your tk's? Dusty_Britches: I earned my tokens DeuceBeta: you want it all? Jazmine: kk J Dusty_Britches: one hour at a time DeuceBeta: what will that do? Jazmine: no Duece ~*Ebil Yoyo*~: i earned mine as well nikos: that's what was done in the wars when one nation flooded another nation with counterfiet bills Jazmine: don't want to see you nekkid on the street nikos: it didn't wreck the economys because LADY LISA: Which is exactly what's happened here Caretaker Kashmir: egads no way Jaz Jazmine: lol nikos: the govt made a new system DeuceBeta: only last a week L@dy Dr@cul: are we still on the same person? Steffi: anyone like a lil blood at the same time? L@dy Dr@cul: or was another name drawn Jazmine: what about Tom? Kerry: what happened to the list? Jazmine: did he give? nikos: why is this different than real world? Kerry: now we're taking questions from teh clouds too? DeuceBeta: only took me a month to make my first mill in vz and i started with 50t Caretaker Kashmir: I think we took the list and threw it out the window with the baby and the bathwater TomNY: Jaz is sayin about nekkid not me skinner ShyGuy: how many of you know anyone who has spent thousands of dollars to buy a few million tokens DeuceBeta: lol Caretaker Kashmir: errm Jazmine: lol Skinner TomNY: nobody Caretaker Kashmir: I do Jazmine: not you Jazmint: but ya said ya was ferinds in vz with tangent to TomNY: they were never thousands per million that i know of DeuceBeta: now may i ask a question? L@dy Dr@cul: I'm still waiting to have my say Kittie Kat: well these folks if they really bougt that many ts Kittie Kat: have proof Kittie Kat: that they did LADY LISA: I agree, Kit : Thu Jun 7 20:59:40 2001 LADY LISA: Let them show proof - otherwise destroy excess tokens Kittie Kat: yepprs Jazmine: why hasn't Tom responded ShyGuy: it was a dollar a thousand... that make it a thousand a million Kerry: go ahead LD...the list is gone L@dy Dr@cul: leave Tom alone TomNY: to who? you? Jazmine: why? Jazmine: no Tom not to me Kittie Kat: it will not be 100% but who said life is ever fair Jazmine: to the esps you are getting Kittie Kat: and DS is not either DeuceBeta: if any one has storys they hear could you check with the people involved before running to forum and posting your new gossip? Kittie Kat: or ever will be Jazmine: and why not give up your tokens? TomNY: I dont feel a need to respond to people who bash me without good reason Caretaker Kashmir: I'd like to ask TomNY: who says i haven't? Caretaker Kashmir: since the list isn't working anymore Caretaker Kashmir: that this stay civil LADY LISA: Unfortunately, someone will probably get hurt -- let's just reduce the number getting hurt if possible Jazmine: well so far everyone Jazmine: who did you give them too? Star: the token police they live inside of yer head TomNY: You dont have to go down front to give them do you? DeuceBeta: i gave mine to any one who semmed nice TomNY: DO YOU JAZ? Dusty_Britches: let LD speak Jazmine: no sir DeuceBeta: just liek i do in vz L@dy Dr@cul: well, I have stayed quiet thru most of this TomNY: NO you dont so shut the hell up ok? Jazmine: but did you give em to Kash? Star: Zig L@dy Dr@cul: I haven't posted much in the forum about this Star: huggless dude Jazmine: no I won't shut up Steffi: this is insane L@dy Dr@cul: I have read and read Caretaker Kashmir: I am the only perosn who can tell others to shut the hell up actually DeuceBeta: yes i have prolly given kash a million by now Caretaker Kashmir: it says so right here Caretaker Kashmir: in small print Acolyte Toon: calm down folks Ivana Humpalot: lol Caretaker Kashmir: page 215 Star: Yes Tom you must file a report with the token police Caretaker Kashmir: paragraph 3 Dusty_Britches: let LD talk L@dy Dr@cul: I got 20 million tokens from Tangent also L@dy Dr@cul: 10 days left of my trial L@dy Dr@cul: I spent 400k of it L@dy Dr@cul: the rest died with my avie Jazmine: good for you LD Dusty_Britches: good for you Jazmine: you didn't spread it about Caretaker Kashmir: she didn't buy me anything Jazmine: sorry Kash L@dy Dr@cul: I didn't think anything about it when Tangent gave em to me Jazmine: she forgot you LADY LISA: I'm one of those idiots who actually spent rw money on t's -- yet I'm willing to accept a token wipe L@dy Dr@cul: I trusted her L@dy Dr@cul: she was a guide in VZ Acolyte Lori: Doing great everyone Jazmine: as many did LD L@dy Dr@cul: she was my friend before she became a guide L@dy Dr@cul: she was my inworld sister Acolyte Lori: Going back over if anyone wants to come Acolyte Lori: Hugggz DB DeuceBeta: huggs lori L@dy Dr@cul: Alot of people here are casting us in a bad light Jazmine: not everyone LD L@dy Dr@cul: yes, we recieved tokens from her Jazmine: only a few Jazmine: that refuse to help Jazmine: by giving back the bad tokens Dusty_Britches: you didn't use your tokens L@dy Dr@cul: we received tokens from someone that we loved TomNY: alot of people here dont want to look at their part in selling for these t's that have been in the economy for six months Caretaker Kashmir: god damn wrong button Acolyte Toon: L@dy Dr@cul: and now we are feeling the fool for trusting DeuceBeta: jazmine L@dy Dr@cul: and we are the ones being raked over the coals Jazmine: present DeuceBeta: alot of us gave back teh toekns long ago Jazmine: gave back to who? LADY LISA: I still say getting 20 million tokens should have raised a flag, but that's water under the bridge now L@dy Dr@cul: the 2 people who did this to us and to DS are no longer here Steffi: *sigh Dusty_Britches: LD the ones I was talking about are they ones that after they knew,did nothing about it DeuceBeta: i for one paid a nice visit to a cloned elevator Kittie Kat: we cannot change yesterday Dusty_Britches: not the innocent ones L@dy Dr@cul: the ones that reveived them are here Kerry: and who would that be Jaz Kittie Kat: but we sure can work hard on TOMORROW L@dy Dr@cul: well LADY LISA: I agree with that Sis! DeuceBeta: when i knew and coulnt prove it to management L@dy Dr@cul: I didn't know about this until I read it in the forum TomNY: Excuse me Kerry: as soon as they found out, they reported it to management DeuceBeta: i destroyed all i had Jazmine: I believe you Duece Kerry: or did you miss that part TomNY: Does management not take time on issues? Kittie Kat: but management of mid management has to help or tell us something TomNY: How do you know when anyone did or didnt do anything about it? TomNY: How do you know Jazmine? TomNY: You don't Kittie Kat: to solve this : Thu Jun 7 21:05:37 2001 Jazmine: well Tom did you destroy them? TomNY: You are rather clueless DeuceBeta: tom she said she believed me i didnt percieve that as sarcasm Dusty_Britches: so,what happened to all the t's that were in the turf? L@dy Dr@cul: how much do you think Tom has? TomNY: yes tell me how much i have L@dy Dr@cul: everyone is fixated on Tom and DB and STeffi TomNY: i need a good laugh Jazmine: its not just them Dusty_Britches: 80 mil Caretaker Kashmir: Tom and I have an understanding, not that this needs to be public knowledge nikos: well when the folks from VZ started trading 4 ds tokens for 1 vz token,that should have tippe off somebody Caretaker Kashmir: he and I will destroy his tokens later DeuceBeta: its most people jasmine Jazmine: why later? DeuceBeta: not at all nikos Steffi: does it matter? Caretaker Kashmir: because that's the deal Steffi: christ Caretaker Kashmir: because for whatever reason DeuceBeta: see supply and demand is weird that way Caretaker Kashmir: this is all about Tom Steffi: if you want it done what does it matter when? Caretaker Kashmir: when he wasn't the one that made the tokens TomNY: No matter what Tom does Caretaker Kashmir: or pased them out DeuceBeta: all teh people who came to ds from vz accts were done L@dy Dr@cul: We didn't make the tokens nikos: why not? a few months ago it was the other way round? TomNY: Tom can't do anything right can he Jazmine? Dusty_Britches: I got tipped off when peeps that had just joined DS were selling 1 million tokens for RW money DeuceBeta: and they alllllll wanted vz tokens back TomNY: Get the hell off my back and listen when Kash says its NOT us who are to blame DeuceBeta: hence the price skyrocketed Jazmine: I didn't say you were to blame Jazmine: we know the blame Jazmine: its been established TomNY: uh yes you keep referring to Tom TomNY: tom TomNY: Tom ShyGuy: the question is.. what keeps someone from making more... and being wise enough to keep it on a small enough scale to be unnoticeable L@dy Dr@cul: I have seen many DS people selling tokens for RW cash Jazmine: but you were the one of the ones flaunting it Ragady Anne: who's Tom? Jazmine: so of course your name comes up TomNY: ty Rags nikos: it's all my fault.. I admit it I did and I am not sorry either DeuceBeta: lol any oen wanna join me in a migrane? nikos: Jazmine: and why did you pawn all the anime heads? TomNY: in your opinion Jazmine: just for a laugh? Steffi: im there DeuceBeta: no jasmine Jazmine: or so prices would go up? TomNY: The anime heads were pawned because so many DS people CLAIM they arent greedy TomNY: well guess wot DeuceBeta: it was a direct number relating to all teh ones we raffled TomNY: it killed them to see anime pawned DeuceBeta: you can ask kash about those Jazmine: you just made the problem worse TomNY: its only pixels TomNY: NO Steffi: IYO L@dy Dr@cul: sis DeuceBeta: she was quite mad cause there was a jungle preformance that day Dusty_Britches: Kash,are you banging your head against the wall? LADY LISA: Pixels that cost rw money L@dy Dr@cul: that is what I won at your game TomNY: You can't make a token problem worse with items brought with RW $$$ Caretaker Kashmir: yes I am TomNY: think about it TomNY: not possible Dusty_Britches: thought so TomNY: if pawned Caretaker Kashmir: what did you win at my game? Jazmine: well you were selling tokens for RW TomNY: only if sold L@dy Dr@cul: I am leaving, I am not finishing out my trial account ShyGuy: anime may only be pixels... but someone worked for the dollars that bought them Acolyte Toon: can i hit back of head when u do it Kash Jazmine: legal tokens??? TomNY: I sold wot i rightly earned Caretaker Kashmir: don't you dare sis Star: lol Jazmine: good enough L@dy Dr@cul: no matter what we say or do, we are the bad people in here Ivana Humpalot: last i checked... your pixels are your pixels right? what you do with them is up to you correct? Dusty_Britches: no Caretaker Kashmir: I dun think so Glory Star: no bad people nikos: can I have your tokens if you leave? Star: just bad pixels Star: TomNY: It's time the DS people also take a long hard look at themselves Caretaker Kashmir: okay now I am gonna talk Jazmine: I agree Star: roflmao TomNY: and the money they've gained over the last six months Star: who said that Jazmine: its not just you TomNY: the bids they hold Caretaker Kashmir: and I am talking as Kash not as a CT Jazmine: the tokens are everywhere Dusty_Britches: there are many peeps that have made money off this TomNY: tell that to your friends nikos: nickos said that Caretaker Kashmir: and Kash has a foul moth Caretaker Kashmir: so be prepared Star: hehehe : Thu Jun 7 21:10:05 2001 Caretaker Kashmir: are you ready? Star: Jazmine: but they have given too Steffi: ready Jazmint: ready Jazmine: to have tokens destroyed Caretaker Kashmir: bite me skinny Steffi: born ready TomNY: Not all DS people but alot Acolyte Toon: can i go on duty?? Topaz: covering my virgin ears Jazmine: you won't get everyone Caretaker Kashmir: I have been in this world since 1995 Jazmine: never happen TomNY: Well Jaz why don't you make that your mission TomNY: and forget about Tom L@dy Dr@cul: Tom Dusty_Britches: DB,I talked to you in esp,did I berate you? L@dy Dr@cul: let Kash talk Jazmine: sorry I don't do missions Caretaker Kashmir: anyone have a cinder block? Steffi: ya'll DeuceBeta: not at all TomNY: ROFL Steffi: please TomNY: ok witchhunt Caretaker Kashmir: I need Mr Wall Star: hehehe TomNY: call it wot you will Acolyte Toon: please simmer and let KAsh have her say Star: Hey watch who yer huntin Topaz: No, but I have a hard head. Go for it LADY LISA: Seems we're off track here Kerry: Jaz you have made this a personal attack on Tom from the beginning...even when proven it's not his fault L@dy Dr@cul: Star: keep those matches away from me Caretaker Kashmir: L@dy Dr@cul: smoochies Star: TomNY: TomNY: smoooches Caretaker Kashmir: okay fine Caretaker Kashmir: now I am cussing Ragady Anne: heh Jazmine: I am sorry Caretaker Kashmir: shut the hell up Jazmine: but he was the one flaunting the tokens about Caretaker Kashmir: this whole thing disgusts me Dusty_Britches: at this point laying the blame does no good Caretaker Kashmir: as a person not as a staff member Dusty_Britches: what we need is a fix Caretaker Kashmir: as a very long time member Star: heheheh she said hell LADY LISA: I still say a token reduction is in order Caretaker Kashmir: I've been here since 95 Ivana Humpalot: HUSH pls Caretaker Kashmir: I've given much of myself to this place Caretaker Kashmir: as have many others ShyGuy: the right approach appears to be taken.. lets see who goes along and who don ShyGuy: t Caretaker Kashmir: members and staff alike ShyGuy: and cool the bashing until then Caretaker Kashmir: I sit here day after day Caretaker Kashmir: and watch this one and that one get bashed Caretaker Kashmir: RW I work in a job Caretaker Kashmir: where our clients die Caretaker Kashmir: they have a horrible disease and they struggle Caretaker Kashmir: and this stuff just is not as life or death as that Caretaker Kashmir: stop a moment TomNY: Amen Caretaker Kashmir: think about the bigger picture fgs Caretaker Kashmir: this is our home Caretaker Kashmir: we do not kill each other Caretaker Kashmir: we do not attack each other Caretaker Kashmir: we work together to solve problems Caretaker Kashmir: that is the way it was up until about a year ago Caretaker Kashmir: then somehow it became the norm to bash Caretaker Kashmir: attack Caretaker Kashmir: call names Caretaker Kashmir: and act like children Caretaker Kashmir: we are adults Caretaker Kashmir: we all have feelings Caretaker Kashmir: we all have concerns Caretaker Kashmir: so lets act like it nikos: nickos is a friggin moron Acolyte Lori: We used to be a family Caretaker Kashmir: yep we did used to be a family TomNY: I agree Kash I"m will to if others are Caretaker Kashmir: we used to have some sense of community Jazmine: I just wanted DS to go back Star: wipe wipe Caretaker Kashmir: now we're just people who pay to be here Dusty_Britches: until greed took ober Jazmine: and the greed stop ShyGuy: that lady does have a way with words .. especially when they come from the heart Dusty_Britches: over Caretaker Kashmir: that's up to each and every one of us Jaz Jazmine: I know Caretaker Kashmir: we have to look into ourselves Jazmine: but can't we help it along? Caretaker Kashmir: and say, what is it about DS that matters Jazmine: as a community? LADY LISA: Why is the idea of a token cap so unappealing to everyone? TomNY: Yes stop the bashing Kerry: not by persecuting one person Star: what if we had a vote and everyone voted to wipe? would that be fair? Acolyte Lori: Going back over there ---> If anyone wants to drop t's off Caretaker Kashmir: yes, but a community doesn't attack each other at every turn Caretaker Kashmir: there will be no damn wipe TomNY: <<<<<< going back over there mind your damn business Caretaker Kashmir: I cannot say this any other way Caretaker Kashmir: I've said it 6 times now : Thu Jun 7 21:15:36 2001 TomNY: Take Kash for wot she said Jazmine: a wipe is not the answer DeuceBeta: tom Star: why not? Caretaker Kashmir: good one SKinner DeuceBeta: are you a ds'er? Caretaker Kashmir: we cannot change the past Caretaker Kashmir: but we do control the future Star: if we vote on it TomNY: I have been in the past yes Dusty_Britches: that will hurt alot of innocent people Jazmine: exactly Caretaker Kashmir: lets work towards that starting now DeuceBeta: i mean right now Star: oh brother Caretaker Kashmir: and the first person that posts : There are 53 ghosts. TomNY: Yes i am Caretaker Kashmir: Kash was rude to us all Caretaker Kashmir: and cussed Star: realm did it and it was great DeuceBeta: then Jazmine: lol Caretaker Kashmir: in the UG is gonna piss me off to no end DeuceBeta: we all agree Jazmine: Kash is being naughty Jazmint: to late already did that DeuceBeta: every bitof thsi problem stems from DS'ers? Acolyte Toon: i didnt post it in underground,,,its in proper one Caretaker Kashmir: ahhh biteus meus Jazmine: since there is no way to make everyone think alike TomNY: at this point it involves MOST everyone Caretaker Kashmir: bunch of goofballs Jazmine: can we hope most will do it DeuceBeta: i agree with that Caretaker Kashmir: here's a little econ 101 suggestion TomNY: yes Jazmine: and not ask extreme prices for items?? DeuceBeta: now Caretaker Kashmir: prices are set buy the buyers TomNY: yes they are Caretaker Kashmir: do NOT pay the prices Jazmine: exactly nikos: amen CASH Jazmine: if no one pays the high price DeuceBeta: you have been know to be ruthlessly good at making profits in vz Caretaker Kashmir: dat be Kash not cash Jazmine: then the price will have to come down Caretaker Kashmir: I ain't currency DeuceBeta: did you apply those gifts/curses here? LADY LISA: What stops someone with 20 million t's from not buying - it doesn't bother them Caretaker Kashmir: the second part then is Jazmine: thats the point Jazmine: if they refrain TomNY: these t's have been in the economy for SIX months nikos: I went to school on one of dem little buses Caretaker Kashmir: don't auction your stuff on your TMA's Kerry: takes 2 people bitting at an auction to run the price up guys Caretaker Kashmir: you wanna sell Caretaker Kashmir: set a stinkin price Jazmine: then a seller can't ask millions Kerry: no one bids against themselves Jazmine: no more bidding Caretaker Kashmir: here's my head, gimme 50K Jazmine: 800K for a head Caretaker Kashmir: instead of here's my head Caretaker Kashmir: tell me what you wanna give me Acolyte Toon: kiddin it aint worth 5 DeuceBeta: point is Caretaker Kashmir: if we start one by one Caretaker Kashmir: and tell our friends DeuceBeta: i will give ya 50k if ya throw in the hat Caretaker Kashmir: WE can stop this L@dy Dr@cul: at one time I remember reading in the forums where scarlett heads here in DS were going for like 500k Jazmine: it stopped for the most part in vzc LADY LISA: Yeah - the good people will do it - but the jerks will still stay rich - doesn't work Jazmine: why can't it stop here? Jazmine: there are heads that will always be like that LD Caretaker Kashmir: we can stop it Jazmine: like the fish head Jazmine: its always been for 200-500L Jazmine: K Acolyte Toon: ok can i be excused its 5:20 am??? L@dy Dr@cul: do you see what I am getting at tho? Caretaker Kashmir: scarlett is always nasty priced Caretaker Kashmir: I remember once nikos: when buddy left he had bingo games and the winners won 1 million tokens Du§tyRo§e: we can stop if if the sellers dont auction Caretaker Kashmir: saw one sold for RW money in umm nikos: should they be penalized Jazmine: just set a price Caretaker Kashmir: was it 96 Jaz? nikos: or give it back? Caretaker Kashmir: or 97? Jazmine: yeppers Jazmine: 96 Du§tyRo§e: or trade only LADY LISA: Well, it's obvious management will not help -- so I doubt this will get solved Caretaker Kashmir: we thought they were nuts Acolyte Toon: guess not L@dy Dr@cul: that heads were expensive even before this influx of tokens Jazmine: lol yes we did Caretaker Kashmir: okay LL Glory: Has anyone noticed that alot of the "rare " idems show up in the vendo's? Just wait awhile, and u can buy out of the vendo DeuceBeta: before i go are tehre any direct questions to me? Dusty_Britches: I have sold things to peeps in here and VZ for far less than I could have gotten for the simple reason is that I remember what it was like to want and not have the t's to buy Caretaker Kashmir: I guess I am not helping in your mind Jazmine: thanks Duece for you candor Jazmine: and your help Caretaker Kashmir: I just destroyed 900K of my own tokens DeuceBeta: yw welcome DeuceBeta: and please people Jazmine: bottom line Jazmine: don't pay greed prices nikos: 96 scarlett was sold for 200 RW dollars DeuceBeta: talk to teh avis befor posting Jazmine: it can't be that important LADY LISA: That is really nice of you Kash - but it's just a drop in the bucket Caretaker Kashmir: LL its a start Caretaker Kashmir: and that's what matters DeuceBeta: exactly Steffi: *sigh Acolyte Lori: Do we have a total, or an estimate Caretaker Kashmir: it starts with just one person DeuceBeta: if i may add LADY LISA: This is so much bigger than that, tho Star: I dont care what anyone says I aint givin up my grapes Acolyte Lori: How much was given Caretaker Kashmir: and grows Caretaker Kashmir: umm estimate Caretaker Kashmir: 7.5M Kittie Kat: we always some some extreme prices on items ones in a great while Acolyte Lori: kk Kerry: lol star Caretaker Kashmir: okay no Du§tyRo§e: we can change this by just letting ppl know we aernt doing auctions no more Kittie Kat: that always has happen but not 10 times a day Caretaker Kashmir: 8,5 DeuceBeta: no item here is a NEED merely a WANT any one who NEEDS pixels really needs something else Jazmine: just refuse to pay it Dusty_Britches: now if the peeps that got the 20 million bundles that were left all over DS would do the right thing Jazmine: yeppers Duece agreed DeuceBeta: maybe just a friend Acolyte Lori: Thanks you guys Du§tyRo§e: make an offer for what youll pay and thats that Jazmine: a life??? Caretaker Kashmir: yep agreed on the bundles Jazmine: DeuceBeta: good nite all Acolyte Lori: Really, every little bit will help Caretaker Kashmir: a tad bit of peer pressure would help there Jazmine: just sell an item Caretaker Kashmir: not bashing nikos: I have witnesses that I won 2 million from dutch at roulette and only way you will get that is out of my cold dead hands Jazmine: for a set price Caretaker Kashmir: but peer pressure DeuceBeta: and if anything has been left unanswered you may esp me : Thu Jun 7 21:22:08 2001 Star: ghostie wants to know what was the estimated token total distributed out there Steffi: g'nite all Caretaker Kashmir: LOL nikos Ivana Humpalot: nini DeuceBeta: sorry you had to shush me so much Caretaker Kashmir: LOL Deuce Kerry: lol Caretaker Kashmir: sorry about the list guys Acolyte Toon: ok 5:20am toon is gonna sleep Iona Bush: btw, anyone that might be willing to trade me t's+an animated egg for a bonnie body please let me know Du§tyRo§e: ty kash you have the patience of job Acolyte Toon: laters all Jazmine: sorry I was bad Jazmine: I yakked Caretaker Kashmir: no, I have zero patience actually Caretaker Kashmir: Kittie Kat: lol Caretaker Kashmir: ask around Glory: maybe someone could put an article in the newspaaper Iona Bush: don't have 2mil or anything but would like the body Glory: ? Caretaker Kashmir: good idea Glory